Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. 'He says you might as well make it pay off, if you don't make it pay off, all you're doing is going through all this heartache for nothing. HART MCKINNY: We had a romance. Your charges are as follows. CNN.com - Transcripts Simpson -- that is until Simpson's defense team discovered recordings of Fuhrman speaking about his racist views, a career of police brutality, and routine evidence tampering to a writer. PHILLIPS: So, why didn't you sell them? He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. Transcripts Of The Fuhrman Tapes Excerpts Show Why They Were - Bustle 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed - twelve in ten years. He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. This glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the murder scene and to be soaked in the blood of both victims. HART MCKINNY: No. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. They would impugn the integrity of the LAPD. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' In the end no proof could be found that 17 of the incidents ever even occurred, and investigations into the other 12 did not find any concrete proof of misconduct. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. I said why would you say that? That is what we do. Fuhrman was the cop who decided that speck of blood was probable cause to climb over the wall to O.J. It is a theory without factual support. I used to practice my kicks.' To feed a bunch of dumb n****** that their own government won't even feed.' It is pretty tough, huh?' Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. FUHRMAN: I thought I knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. Fuhrman had previously been to O.J's home, years earlier, on a domestic abuse call. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. PHILLIPS: Tonight after O.J. PHILLIPS: What do you mean brief encounters? HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. I didn't know what I was doing. PHILLIPS: The verdict didn't make her feel any safer. They called themselves MAW -- men against women. 22nd and Western. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. [23:00:25] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN SPECIAL REPORT: The detective and the tapes. HART MCKINNY: Depending on the crime committed, the grand dragon would determine what the (inaudible) would be. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. And I think everybody's better for it. . That person has never been revealed to me. I was extremely nervous. Actor Columbus Short is 'caught cheating' by video vixen wife Karrine Steffans who airs their dirty laundry on social media, Oscar-winning actress Patty Duke dies aged 69 ofsepsis from a ruptured intestine, EXCLUSIVE: Victory: Janice Dickinson is 'very happy' after judge rules her lawsuit against disgraced comedian Bill Cosby over rape allegations can go to trial, THE 41 TIMES MARK FUHRMAN USES RACIAL SLUR ON TAPES, Saboteurs wreck Russian train cut power cables 37mi from Ukraine, Moment large saltwater crocodile snatches pet dog off beach in QLD, 'We're not your enemies!' [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. I thought I really need to step up my game here. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. To bolster their case, excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence. HART MCKINNY: No. That brief recording heard by the jury was taken from 13 hours of interviews between Fuhrman and screenwriter Laura McKinny recorded between 1985 and 1994, with the last tape being made a month after Simpson was charged in his wife's murder. - On construction of a new police stations, By It was a bombshell! PHILLIPS: What did you say to her? Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. Simpson double-murder trial, recently retired Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman said he and other officers The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. Simpson defense team trips on Fuhrman tapes - CNN FUHRMAN: Their response is what? FUHRMAN: Sure. The Fuhrman Tapes (with Transcript) from the O.J. HART MCKINNY: There was the reality that maybe the tapes had something to do with the jury's verdict and because of that I would be persona non grata in many people's eyes. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police witness in the O.J. It's relevant, germane, material. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. PHILLIPS: Violent. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this your verdict, so say you one, so say you all? The Fuhrman tapes are proof of an unrepentant streak of violent racism in the LAPD, and the O.J. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. Commission listening to Fuhrman tapes - CNN And I was wrong. They can arm wrestle 6'7" n******.' Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. I don't know who called. You know they're caught between dimensions. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? HART MCKINNY: I was completely unprepared to be in a courtroom. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- When they start moving into Redondo and Torrance. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you're watching the trial and you see this and you know what you've got on those tapes, what were you thinking? That is really their natural response. Did he ever say why? In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:33:24] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: By 1995 Laura Hart McKinny had settled down with her family in suburban North Carolina but back in L.A. her old friend Mark Fuhrman was back on the stand. HART MCKINNY: Yes. That's all I can do.'. Ito's Final Decision on the Fuhrman Tapes - Walraven UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? Just body shots. He was a big n*****, and she was afraid.' He is very capable of protecting himself. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. Simpson Murder Trial SIMPSON, FOOTBALL LEGEND: Absolutely 100 percent not guilty. The jury was not present for Fuhrman's testimony. Held her like this, threw the pitch down the stairs. PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. PHILLIPS: Why? Simpson Murder Trial Simon Hasselhoff 2.77K subscribers Subscribe Share 218K views 6 years ago The audio tapes Mark Fuhrman recorded with screenwriter. We have two people dead at the scene. . We kicked the door done. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:23:005] PHILLIPS: By day a ball field, by night an imaginary courtroom. Aired 11p-12mn ET Aired July 21, 2017 - 23:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.. Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. Their natural response is split. PHILLIPS: What was a typical outcome of these mock trials, these tribunals? HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? HART MCKINNY: I just laughed. In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones. PHILLIPS: Stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. , updated - Describing suspect, 'He was a n*****. Preliminary Hearings and Grand Jury, Jury & Witness Lists How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? No, I didn't. "[14], On May 16, 1997, the Los Angeles Times ran a piece signed by Katherine Spillar (Co-chair, the Women's Advisory Council to the Los Angeles Police Commission) and Penny Harrington (Director of the National Center for Women & Policing) and stating that "The long-awaited Police Commission report released on the Mark Fuhrman tapes revealed that the LAPD command has known for years about orchestrated sexual harassment and intimidation of female officers and has done nothing to stop it. PHILLIPS: She told Fuhrman she was writing about a woman cop. They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. [10] After paying a $200 fine, Fuhrman was released from his probation in April 1998[11] and the conviction was later expunged from his record. How O.J. Got the Fuhrman Tapes (and You Can Get Out-of-State Materials) HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. PHILLIPS: But before the recordings there was a relationship. FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. - Describing suspect, 'Commander Hickman, was a dickhead. I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. No, I want to be infamous. The court's examination of these 41 uses reveals not only the racial epithet itself, but a context that only adds to the insulting and inflammatory nature. Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. Gerald F. Uelmen, the member of the defense team who passionately argued for admission of 61 tapes and transcripts, rose again Tuesday to urge Ito to return to that question. PHILLIPS: Nobody stood up and said hey, don't back down. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. A competent woman cop I think is more accurate. The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. Where's Fatburger. Simpson Murder Trial. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. PHILLIPS: Does it feel good to talk about this? HART MCKINNY: Yes. The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, including uses of the word "nigger," descriptions of police brutality perpetrated on black suspects, misogynist slurs and descriptions of the harassment and intimidation of female Los Angeles police officers by male officers. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:13:35] PHILLIPS: Making it in Hollywood was screen writer Laura Hart McKinny's dream and she knew exactly what her movie should be about. Greg Lefevre, Correspondent . Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . And that is the way it is in the car. The revelation was priceless. All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. HART MCKINNY: No. Simpson murder trial. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to the efforts of Suzanne Chin Langley. I have no idea why. FUHRMAN: We have factions in five divisions. Fuhrman says on the tapes: "I had 66 allegations of brutality.. under cover of authority, assault and battery under cover of authority. I remember you got a lot of death threats. Simpson, was charged with the murders. In graphic passages from the audio tapes that have come to dominate the O.J. HART MCKINNY: I was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and I was like he seems like a nice person. You have to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. PHILLIPS: There was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. FUHRMAN: And then I go does anybody have any evidence to produce? FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. Without the glove - bye, bye.'. MORRIS: He told me I needed to go and dance on soul train. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. FUHRMAN: My ass is on the line, because if the media gets a hold of this, although we can say - well, we've been in negotiations for years, months whatever. HART MCKINNY: Just the thought of a kill Party takes your breath away. Fuhrman, a key witness in the O.J. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:41:48] UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good afternoon, Ms. McKinny. 'Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. You don't pack those qualities. PHILLIPS: And that is exactly what happened. During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. This is dangerous? HART MCKINNY: He just sort of stopped and -- a woman cop? PHILLIPS: So being on this Task Force, you were privy to internal reports and Mark Fuhrman was mentioned in a number of these. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. . - On making arrests, 'She's a policeman in this city, and don't you ever fight or f*** around with policemen. And quote I'd pick up three or four gang members, bring them to the station. PHILLIPS: And internal investigations. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. All But the Jury Hear Epithets on Fuhrman Tapes Mark Fuhrman was the detective in the investigation and would play a pivotal role in the trial. Motions and Court Orders PHILLIPS: Men against women wasn't only about denigrating females, Fuhrman also told screen writer Laura Hart McKinny that MAW held what they called kill parties. "You're either my partner all the way, or get the f--- out of this . c. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations between 1985 and 1986 Fuhrman used the term "nigger" in a disparaging manner 41 times. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. FUHRMAN: No, sir. They are going to say that I planted the glove to be able to sell to peddle this which is absolutely psycho. PHILLIPS: In 1983 she was new to the force and ready to protect and serve in west L.A. at roll call, rookie officers like Morris sat up front. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. PHILLIPS: And divided our country. Where were you going? BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. He said what are you writing? Why? He now writes true crime books, publishing his first in 1997 -Murder in Brentwood. He should be shot. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman certainly was certainly persona non grata, exposed as a liar and forced to go silent. And, if I go down, they lose the case. If you do you're either so ugly or they're lesbians or so dyke-ish that they're not women anymore. Why didn't you give him the 77th lie detector test? HART MCKINNY: He was trying to articulate the depth of his soul. Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes - New York Times Mark Fuhrman's racist tapes: The full transcript of key OJ Simpson PHILLIPS: Why have you decided to come forward now and talk to us? Trial Transcripts The whole world would watch him implode. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. Simpson, including a bloody glove. Fuhrman was also recorded stating that women who were good leaders "are either so ugly or they're a lesbian or they're so dyke-ish that they are not women anymore. PHILLIPS: They swayed a verdict. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. It was revealed around this time that she had completed her screenplay based on her interviews with Fuhrman, for a film she had decided to call Men Against Women. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. . UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The thought of the party takes your breath away. HART MCKINNY: He wanted to be infamous, he said. FUHRMAN: Yes, the 77th leave that old station man, it's got the smell of niggers that have been beaten and killed in there for years. She also called for an independent "blue-ribbon commission" to investigate gender bias and sexual harassment issues at the LAPD.[14]. Simpson trial, reportedly makes racist comments on the tapes and refers to alleged incidents of police brutality by the LAPD. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. Fuhrman retired from the LAPD soon after the tapes emerged, and after accepting his plea on perjury charges sat down for his first interview with Diane Sawyer, who brought up everything from his racist comments to his collection of Nazi World War II memorabilia. HART MCKINNY: No. So if you use that, you get a lot of laughs from lot of policeman. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. You're never going to find. . - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' "No problem, not even any marks, Dana." The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened. HART MCKINNY: I would never do that. - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? PHILLIPS: Disturbing. Outside the presence of the jury, Fuhrman was questioned by the defense team, invoking his Fifth Amendment right on all questions, including the question, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. It was horrible for us because it had a huge impact on the O.J. Harrington also publicly responded to Fuhrman's views that female police officers are unfit for police work because of their biological sex. "Research shows women officers are more skillful at de-escalating potentially violent situations than their male counterparts, and so MAW's efforts to drive women out only exacerbates the LAPD's excessive force problems," explained Harrington, "The Fuhrman tapes reveal just how aggressively women police officers are shunned for their more community-oriented policing skills and their refusal to go along with using excessive force. Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. [23:05:00] HART MCKINNY: Judge who was an acquaintance of mine in L.A. PHILLIPS: Did that surprise you? FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. Somebody's got to make the decision. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. The defense seeks to offer 18 incidents of alleged misconduct. BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. There is something with his own identity that was connected to being a police officer and so much of it was being (inaudible) by having to work with women that if he'd been in a different time in history, he would have been more appreciated, more openly respected by some people. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. Read what the NY Times had to say about this site back in 1995: Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. A key part of the defense case is the allegation that Fuhrman, motivated by hatred of blacks/African Americans and interracial couples, transported a bloody leather glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing the blame upon the defendant for the savage murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. Don't talk to her and they would back away. The defense proffer essentially argues that because Fuhrman allegedly suppressed information given to him by Rosa Lopez that was arguably favorable to the defendant, it can be assumed that he would plant the glove. FUHRMAN: You've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling.